1 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:09,509 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:20,470 --> 00:00:13,800 from Australia for science and reason 3 00:00:27,710 --> 00:00:23,630 hello from Richard Saunders it's the 4 00:00:31,790 --> 00:00:27,720 skeptic zone show number 111 for the 5 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:31,800 third of December 2010 well back from 6 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:35,340 tam tams over Tam's done two years of 7 00:00:41,630 --> 00:00:39,449 planning so much work so much fun it's 8 00:00:42,799 --> 00:00:41,640 all a bit of a blur to me to be honest 9 00:00:45,850 --> 00:00:42,809 and I'm sure it's a blur to the other 10 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:45,860 organizers rachel dunlop iran say give 11 00:00:51,380 --> 00:00:49,650 Joe Benna mu and Tim mendham to all 12 00:00:53,299 --> 00:00:51,390 those people who came to tamp thank you 13 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:53,309 very much big thank you to james randi 14 00:00:58,069 --> 00:00:55,890 for coming all the way over and really 15 00:01:01,250 --> 00:00:58,079 putting the icing on the cake for Tam 16 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:01,260 and of course all our guests what I have 17 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:03,510 for you this week is my sort of weird 18 00:01:10,180 --> 00:01:06,500 behind-the-scenes look some interviews 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:10,190 some social times odd bits and pieces 20 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:12,570 covering Tam and a little bit of our 21 00:01:17,660 --> 00:01:14,460 trip to melbourne after town with brian 22 00:01:19,580 --> 00:01:17,670 dunning and rebecca watson but let's 23 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:19,590 kick off with my short interview with 24 00:01:34,210 --> 00:01:22,350 rebecca watson as i collected her from 25 00:01:42,470 --> 00:01:40,220 and here we are in the car and the first 26 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:42,480 time in Sydney for rebecca watson to 27 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:44,490 it's my first time I'm very excited you 28 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:46,050 just got off the plane just got off the 29 00:01:50,810 --> 00:01:48,810 plane yep I was expecting like to be 30 00:01:52,130 --> 00:01:50,820 handed a koala bear or something you 31 00:01:53,870 --> 00:01:52,140 know that I could cuddle with it look 32 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:53,880 like in Hawaii when you get off the 33 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:56,370 plane they put the leis on you maybe 34 00:02:00,200 --> 00:01:57,930 there'd be something similar here bro 35 00:02:02,540 --> 00:02:00,210 karachi right just didn't chuck it at 36 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:02,550 you yeah but I'm so so far it's been a 37 00:02:06,170 --> 00:02:04,560 real disappointment real dislike what 38 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:06,180 you've only been here 20 minutes so 39 00:02:10,249 --> 00:02:08,670 disappointed I'm just saying you're 40 00:02:12,110 --> 00:02:10,259 gonna have to work very hard we're in 41 00:02:13,820 --> 00:02:12,120 the next several hours well we've turned 42 00:02:16,670 --> 00:02:13,830 on some nice weather for you I've no 43 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:16,680 least yeah you have this the Sun thing 44 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:18,870 happy which I had forgotten about now 45 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:20,610 you just telling me you've been busy 46 00:02:25,490 --> 00:02:23,040 lately doing other conventions yeah I 47 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:25,500 kicked off my world tour this past 48 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:28,680 weekend world yeah yeah in in the middle 49 00:02:33,979 --> 00:02:32,370 of nowhere missourah and they were all 50 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:33,989 very excited that it was my first stop 51 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:36,060 before Sydney and then melbourne in the 52 00:02:42,590 --> 00:02:40,250 New Zealand right like yay Springfield 53 00:02:44,810 --> 00:02:42,600 so yeah I think I've been keeping busy 54 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:44,820 but it's all just been warm up for Tamil 55 00:02:48,979 --> 00:02:47,010 strip this is the big ones the big game 56 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:48,989 is the bigger yes Bigley yeah that's 57 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:50,220 right that's right i feel like i've been 58 00:02:55,340 --> 00:02:52,890 drowned out of my dad's back they this 59 00:02:58,880 --> 00:02:55,350 is going on the resume I have certainly 60 00:03:01,400 --> 00:02:58,890 hope so I was at the airport about this 61 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:01,410 time yesterday picking up the rest of us 62 00:03:06,229 --> 00:03:04,170 to you I've heard an SEO and a lot of 63 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:06,239 other hangers-on and family and all 64 00:03:12,140 --> 00:03:08,610 sorts of people that was fun and 65 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:12,150 geo geo and I had a nice thai lunch with 66 00:03:15,890 --> 00:03:14,490 dr. H yesterday numb to see if we can do 67 00:03:17,270 --> 00:03:15,900 the same with you yeah I've heard that 68 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,280 that's the traditional way to greet 69 00:03:22,010 --> 00:03:19,440 tourists is to take them out to lunch 70 00:03:24,290 --> 00:03:22,020 with dr. Richie she's very busy so I'm 71 00:03:26,090 --> 00:03:24,300 excited that she has time for a lunch 72 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:26,100 with me as opposed to other I mean 73 00:03:29,390 --> 00:03:27,210 thousands of people come in every day 74 00:03:33,260 --> 00:03:29,400 through that everybody so but obviously 75 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:33,270 you right make it to lunch I'm very 76 00:03:40,180 --> 00:03:35,250 excited about that I'm hoping that there 77 00:03:49,699 --> 00:03:44,150 had a vegetarian thai place is it fo 78 00:03:51,530 --> 00:03:49,709 Allah Rebecca it's it's great that you 79 00:03:54,020 --> 00:03:51,540 finally made it to Australia after all 80 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:54,030 these years your fans can't wait I don't 81 00:03:58,490 --> 00:03:55,560 want to have lunch with you too that's 82 00:04:01,490 --> 00:03:58,500 fine well that's why you know Tam sold 83 00:04:03,770 --> 00:04:01,500 out so quickly that we started giving 84 00:04:05,449 --> 00:04:03,780 these emails from people saying all 85 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:05,459 couldn't get tickets but we really want 86 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:08,190 to see you so i said screw it i got 87 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:09,510 nothing better to do but bum around 88 00:04:14,270 --> 00:04:12,630 australia Oh a bum around doesn't mean 89 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:14,280 the same thing and American if it does 90 00:04:21,289 --> 00:04:18,330 and you should those really okay so I've 91 00:04:23,690 --> 00:04:21,299 got nothing better to do so I'll uh I i 92 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:23,700 booked a bunch of different dates I'm 93 00:04:28,940 --> 00:04:25,770 going down you know we're doing the 94 00:04:31,250 --> 00:04:28,950 cruise and stuff to the dinner open for 95 00:04:33,830 --> 00:04:31,260 the couple then yet melbourne and then 96 00:04:35,990 --> 00:04:33,840 over to New Zealand and I just couldn't 97 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:36,000 be happier to not only get to go on a 98 00:04:41,420 --> 00:04:38,610 vacation it's someplace so beautiful 99 00:04:44,469 --> 00:04:41,430 I've never been before but to also have 100 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:44,479 the chance to meet so many new fans and 101 00:04:48,020 --> 00:04:46,800 friends I happen to that yet and a lot 102 00:04:49,909 --> 00:04:48,030 of people here are very excited because 103 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:49,919 normally this just wouldn't get the 104 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:51,300 chance to meet you guys you know they 105 00:04:55,940 --> 00:04:52,740 wouldn't meet you they wouldn't need the 106 00:04:58,190 --> 00:04:55,950 rest of us to you or geo right he has 107 00:05:00,200 --> 00:04:58,200 been authorities tomorrow he's arriving 108 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:00,210 to a super yeah yeah I was actually just 109 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:02,610 with brandy at skepticon ok so yeah 110 00:05:07,490 --> 00:05:04,500 we're gonna be on similar he must up 111 00:05:09,679 --> 00:05:07,500 schedules yeah yeah he's and funk using 112 00:05:11,859 --> 00:05:09,689 yeah he was lookin good he's looking 113 00:05:16,309 --> 00:05:11,869 Randy you cannot keep that man down 114 00:05:18,469 --> 00:05:16,319 absolutely try is Sylvia Browne my all 115 00:05:20,869 --> 00:05:18,479 right well it's about another 10 minutes 116 00:05:23,869 --> 00:05:20,879 and we're in the city so good good 117 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:23,879 excited excited thank you thank you 118 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:35,610 Richard it's now tuesday night choose 119 00:05:44,869 --> 00:05:41,969 a.m. monday to tuesday i'm sitting here 120 00:05:46,969 --> 00:05:44,879 at a table in chinatown with steve 121 00:05:51,579 --> 00:05:46,979 roberts show better move from the zone 122 00:05:53,629 --> 00:05:51,589 chris higgins from melbourne ah Evan 123 00:06:01,249 --> 00:05:53,639 what do you tell he was trying to a 124 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:01,259 little bedroom jennifer urban and 125 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:04,050 jennifer and of course the man who is 126 00:06:12,289 --> 00:06:07,289 loves to play of chopsticks this is what 127 00:06:15,139 --> 00:06:12,299 they sound like ready right Gigi are 128 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:15,149 jaw-dropping was handed one handed and 129 00:06:22,009 --> 00:06:16,889 it's not affected by the Coriolis effect 130 00:06:25,429 --> 00:06:22,019 at all sound of one hand shopping now 131 00:06:26,749 --> 00:06:25,439 geo you a joined most of s to you and 132 00:06:28,819 --> 00:06:26,759 family and went to the blue mountains 133 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:28,829 today that's what those people were all 134 00:06:33,409 --> 00:06:31,409 this makes total sense now okay I'm 135 00:06:36,529 --> 00:06:33,419 thinking who it's like this clan of beat 136 00:06:38,749 --> 00:06:36,539 novela missed crazy crazy yes we saw the 137 00:06:39,889 --> 00:06:38,759 blue mountains we saw kangaroo I don't 138 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:39,899 know what the plural kangaroo is but we 139 00:06:47,449 --> 00:06:45,089 saw that we saw cockatoo we saw Tom 140 00:06:50,659 --> 00:06:47,459 Chalmers we saw bitty banger Wangers 141 00:06:53,110 --> 00:06:50,669 Ishod Jim giblets that was great we went 142 00:06:58,249 --> 00:06:53,120 to the window American 143 00:07:01,129 --> 00:06:58,259 the deal Oh Oh was that is that free 144 00:07:07,189 --> 00:07:01,139 agency comes over it was Jaina valor 145 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:07,199 interrupting geo as I guess we've got 146 00:07:11,420 --> 00:07:08,940 let me describe the scene for you here 147 00:07:14,090 --> 00:07:11,430 we've got a learning Chinese restaurant 148 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:14,100 in Chinatown strangely enough we've 149 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:16,530 upstairs and they've got two giant 150 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:18,810 tables for us and we're filling both 151 00:07:24,469 --> 00:07:22,530 tables with with podcasters and bloggers 152 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:24,479 and all sorts of people if a bomb goes 153 00:07:29,450 --> 00:07:26,550 off and said me if it is hit by a meteor 154 00:07:32,980 --> 00:07:29,460 this weekend skepticism is so screwed it 155 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:32,990 is so screwed like I think I think a 156 00:07:38,300 --> 00:07:35,010 Sylvia Browne will be the most skeptical 157 00:07:40,250 --> 00:07:38,310 person like on the planet I think so so 158 00:07:44,810 --> 00:07:40,260 hopefully fill plates a prediction will 159 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:44,820 not Yeah right but yeah it's just 160 00:07:48,260 --> 00:07:46,620 amazing it's amazing we haven't even 161 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:48,270 started yet yeah we haven't even started 162 00:07:52,189 --> 00:07:50,250 yet it was really pleased that the it 163 00:07:53,659 --> 00:07:52,199 was such a great day beautiful sunny day 164 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:53,669 for you to go and see the blue mountains 165 00:07:58,279 --> 00:07:56,130 today absolutely beautiful we did this 166 00:08:01,480 --> 00:07:58,289 one thing where we went down a mine car 167 00:08:05,540 --> 00:08:01,490 what was that park called the might the 168 00:08:07,700 --> 00:08:05,550 Jamison Jamison mine no is it the mine 169 00:08:08,990 --> 00:08:07,710 what's the mine we don't know what it's 170 00:08:11,779 --> 00:08:09,000 called I don't feel so bad i'm over at 171 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:11,789 the mine but the mine is called katoomba 172 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:15,330 katoomba mine we're not only do you get 173 00:08:21,980 --> 00:08:19,650 onto this powered descent machine which 174 00:08:24,050 --> 00:08:21,990 leads you into this pit of despair it 175 00:08:26,870 --> 00:08:24,060 opens up you know at a 52-degree pitch 176 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:26,880 into this depth thing then ends up in 177 00:08:31,430 --> 00:08:29,310 this lovely tropical sort of woodland 178 00:08:33,019 --> 00:08:31,440 thing that you walk around on love it's 179 00:08:34,519 --> 00:08:33,029 just fantastic just absolutely gorgeous 180 00:08:39,050 --> 00:08:34,529 and fantastic we saw that that's three 181 00:08:42,019 --> 00:08:39,060 sisters yeah cliffs which is beautiful 182 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:42,029 again the weather was perfect and no jet 183 00:08:46,490 --> 00:08:44,130 lag it's that's the other thing to know 184 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:46,500 you guys are doing coping so well yes 185 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:48,330 having that we did a show in Vancouver 186 00:08:53,420 --> 00:08:50,250 on 187 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:53,430 saturday night we were in Vancouver and 188 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:55,750 sort of went straight through right to 189 00:08:59,040 --> 00:08:57,370 the plane of midnight and did 14 hours 190 00:09:00,660 --> 00:08:59,050 on the plane all woke up and it was we 191 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:00,670 lost a day but it didn't matter because 192 00:09:04,830 --> 00:09:03,040 now was Monday and we were in Sydney and 193 00:09:07,260 --> 00:09:04,840 we hit the ground running and everyone 194 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:07,270 is fine everyone is fine and now rebecca 195 00:09:11,010 --> 00:09:09,100 has joined us and we're good to go his 196 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:11,020 team like no yesterday I'm saying 197 00:09:14,550 --> 00:09:12,160 yesterday we were all we were all good 198 00:09:16,470 --> 00:09:14,560 to go we were all we made the day we 199 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:16,480 didn't have that yeah we didn't have 200 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:18,490 that nap at that two o'clock nap that 201 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:19,720 you just feel like you want to strangle 202 00:09:24,030 --> 00:09:21,160 a kitten you know we didn't have that 203 00:09:25,710 --> 00:09:24,040 thing just right well wake consume look 204 00:09:28,050 --> 00:09:25,720 nothing is the steepest railway in the 205 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:28,060 world I saw these difficulties same 206 00:09:39,990 --> 00:09:36,240 ironically up was scarier than down yes 207 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:40,000 yeah it was because you see wet weight 208 00:09:44,670 --> 00:09:42,550 where you've been on you just feel more 209 00:09:47,250 --> 00:09:44,680 suspended right sort of them when you 210 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:47,260 going backwards you feel more hung which 211 00:09:50,910 --> 00:09:48,310 is you know problem we don't like to 212 00:09:52,170 --> 00:09:50,920 have sometimes but it's I thought going 213 00:09:54,210 --> 00:09:52,180 down is more frightening though because 214 00:09:56,070 --> 00:09:54,220 when you go into the darkness you don't 215 00:09:58,020 --> 00:09:56,080 know what you're going yeah and I wasn't 216 00:10:00,240 --> 00:09:58,030 expecting it to be that steep there's no 217 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:00,250 seat belts you aussies don't have like 218 00:10:05,010 --> 00:10:01,690 lawsuits where people can sip each other 219 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:05,020 and and yeah is amazing so it's the use 220 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:06,970 you sit in this very recumbent position 221 00:10:11,190 --> 00:10:09,250 to begin with wondering why you're 222 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:11,200 staring at the ceiling until you're at 223 00:10:14,340 --> 00:10:12,850 this vertical pitching realize oh that's 224 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:14,350 why because now i'm sitting normally so 225 00:10:26,510 --> 00:10:23,300 and i'm with james randi in the botanic 226 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:26,520 garden I think buttons here and sitting 227 00:10:30,500 --> 00:10:28,170 in there some bats having an argument up 228 00:10:33,110 --> 00:10:30,510 there I think oh yeah yes a discussion 229 00:10:35,780 --> 00:10:33,120 of some sorry I don't speak bat so i 230 00:10:37,310 --> 00:10:35,790 wouldn't know what's delightful to have 231 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:37,320 you here and you for the amazing meaning 232 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:38,850 very exciting lots of people are very 233 00:10:43,340 --> 00:10:41,970 excited about it and despite having just 234 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:43,350 traveled from the US here you are with 235 00:10:47,390 --> 00:10:44,730 us walking through the boat and exhale 236 00:10:49,670 --> 00:10:47,400 and hunting yes I am and having a good 237 00:10:52,340 --> 00:10:49,680 time of it it's just beautiful wonderful 238 00:10:54,260 --> 00:10:52,350 to see it's I think we've turn on the 239 00:10:55,790 --> 00:10:54,270 weather for you yeah thank you thank you 240 00:10:57,650 --> 00:10:55,800 very much for your sort of thing all 241 00:11:00,410 --> 00:10:57,660 Australians are like that yeah that's 242 00:11:07,010 --> 00:11:00,420 what I found well more bets ahead all 243 00:11:08,810 --> 00:11:07,020 right let's go that's Rebecca that says 244 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:08,820 we're in backcountry oh they're 245 00:11:13,820 --> 00:11:12,210 everywhere make way for the I think you 246 00:11:16,070 --> 00:11:13,830 have to take some back back with you 247 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:16,080 well yeah I assume that that would be my 248 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:17,970 souvenir I'm trying to get one but they 249 00:11:21,590 --> 00:11:20,190 won't they won't come down here I'll be 250 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:21,600 damned if I'm going up there to get one 251 00:11:34,220 --> 00:11:29,670 whoa look at that one look at that one 252 00:11:38,810 --> 00:11:34,230 there so we're under oh yeah easily more 253 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:38,820 maybe it's with Evan Bernstein now from 254 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:40,910 skeptics guide to the universe and we 255 00:11:46,010 --> 00:11:43,410 arrived in bad country here in the city 256 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:46,020 botanic garden it's fun for me to watch 257 00:11:52,100 --> 00:11:49,860 all of you guys yeah I know I lived in 258 00:11:54,110 --> 00:11:52,110 DC for a while since I've been to every 259 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:54,120 museum in DC washington DC a million 260 00:11:58,580 --> 00:11:55,680 times we're still fun to bring people 261 00:12:01,070 --> 00:11:58,590 there yeah show them to stop yeah and 262 00:12:02,420 --> 00:12:01,080 the kids are loving it too well when did 263 00:12:05,210 --> 00:12:02,430 they get to see these kinds of things 264 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:05,220 you know I mean 1 200 200 bats in a tree 265 00:12:10,670 --> 00:12:06,600 like this in the daytime you just don't 266 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:10,680 get this where we're from I wonder what 267 00:12:23,350 --> 00:12:13,980 they're saying up there we're saying 268 00:12:29,140 --> 00:12:25,970 now here's a little excerpt from tam 269 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:29,150 itself just the very beginning of time 270 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:32,250 following that the next day the awards 271 00:13:09,770 --> 00:12:34,050 where the bent spoon was given out plus 272 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:12,930 the strange thing put into the tips 273 00:13:17,940 --> 00:13:14,770 because it's like we work with I don't 274 00:13:20,190 --> 00:13:17,950 work does that mean no it doesn't any 275 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:20,200 these are three days of an amazing 276 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:22,750 meaning for everybody in fact we've 277 00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:24,610 already got two days we've got the 278 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:28,240 pennies today before the mean that might 279 00:13:33,330 --> 00:13:30,730 be explained in a very funny because I / 280 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:33,340 typically official welcome to tomorrow 281 00:13:38,450 --> 00:13:35,830 morning a preamble to the official 282 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:38,460 welcome please would you over the stage 283 00:14:14,710 --> 00:13:41,170 Richard Saunders and record a knock on 284 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:27,170 mama 285 00:14:27,180 --> 00:14:34,780 all set 286 00:14:41,390 --> 00:14:38,720 keep an eye out for a woman is a little 287 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:41,400 trips will be as helpful look abscess we 288 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:43,860 can beat these role to give us a little 289 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:48,150 very busy and I'll pop over to Rachel 290 00:15:00,030 --> 00:14:57,990 say I'm Fulton ago through the 291 00:15:02,850 --> 00:15:00,040 housekeeping for everyone so you know 292 00:15:04,740 --> 00:15:02,860 how he is going to work this weekend but 293 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:04,750 most of all I want everyone to enjoy 294 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:07,810 themselves and probably meet a lot of 295 00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:10,450 people here this we have the only one 296 00:15:16,170 --> 00:15:13,510 one or two days I know I do romantic 297 00:15:18,690 --> 00:15:16,180 scene here what's the real happiness but 298 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:18,700 a lot of people have into the metadata 299 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:22,450 tags and please be careful be friendly 300 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:31,210 have progress on thank you it's now time 301 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:34,330 for the annual Australian skeptic awards 302 00:15:40,370 --> 00:15:37,210 and who better to hand them out deal 303 00:15:58,910 --> 00:15:40,380 with them and discussing then-president 304 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:02,910 thank you thank you dr. Bruce a block of 305 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:11,530 all others well here it is everybody the 306 00:16:17,130 --> 00:16:14,710 great big spoon award from Australian 307 00:16:19,470 --> 00:16:17,140 skeptics for the most authors piece of 308 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:19,480 paranormal or pseudo scientific people 309 00:16:27,570 --> 00:16:24,370 in the last 12 months we have the world 310 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:27,580 there were many unwilling our 311 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:30,250 nominations for this award the surprise 312 00:16:39,060 --> 00:16:37,030 no one wants together we had three and 313 00:16:41,070 --> 00:16:39,070 more the nominations that really caught 314 00:16:43,860 --> 00:16:41,080 our eye and those are these skeptics 315 00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:43,870 around Australian but to consider this 316 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:47,680 this year the two rubbers up when dis 317 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:51,010 honorable mentions are from the 318 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:53,890 wonderful website of homeopathy + France 319 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:02,470 I actually everybody go ready 1 2 3 and 320 00:17:09,939 --> 00:17:05,980 given this is the website that advocates 321 00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:09,949 homeopathic vaccination and and was 322 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:11,689 recently lamenting the fact that there 323 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:13,970 were enough homeopaths in hating to help 324 00:17:27,649 --> 00:17:20,759 the second is honorable runner-up and 325 00:17:34,409 --> 00:17:32,249 one two three the only good thing to 326 00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:34,419 come out of power our balance is we give 327 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:40,480 you wear these great see romance yeah 328 00:17:43,889 --> 00:17:42,369 what an amazing thing that is and 329 00:17:47,399 --> 00:17:43,899 they've got this cop is all around the 330 00:17:49,529 --> 00:17:47,409 world as he can there's balance power 331 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:49,539 there's all sorts of things I can't 332 00:17:52,769 --> 00:17:50,950 remember but basically the bits of 333 00:17:54,930 --> 00:17:52,779 rubber with a with a holograph inside 334 00:17:56,669 --> 00:17:54,940 and they do all the tricks and we won't 335 00:17:59,460 --> 00:17:56,679 get into that now so there are two 336 00:18:04,070 --> 00:17:59,470 runners-up but the skeptics around 337 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:04,080 Australia this year have decided to ward 338 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:06,970 wonderful been spoon I think the wood 339 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:11,230 comes from Noah's Ark rumor has it uri 340 00:18:16,519 --> 00:18:12,970 geller was in the room with them the 341 00:18:19,859 --> 00:18:16,529 spoon actually bad not sure about them 342 00:18:21,899 --> 00:18:19,869 actually this year it will go to the 343 00:18:25,529 --> 00:18:21,909 Australian Curriculum and reporting 344 00:18:28,259 --> 00:18:25,539 Authority they CA are eight for its 345 00:18:30,779 --> 00:18:28,269 draft science curriculum now this isn't 346 00:18:34,139 --> 00:18:30,789 this is an interesting choice while a 347 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:34,149 national education curriculum may or may 348 00:18:39,659 --> 00:18:37,090 may or may not be welcome the science 349 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:39,669 component has been roundly criticized in 350 00:18:44,580 --> 00:18:41,490 the particular the teaching of evolution 351 00:18:46,799 --> 00:18:44,590 one of the fundamentals of modern 352 00:18:49,980 --> 00:18:46,809 science has become virtually sideline 353 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:49,990 appearing only in one section of the of 354 00:18:54,419 --> 00:18:52,570 year ten in high school only the 355 00:18:57,149 --> 00:18:54,429 evolution of man is not part of the 356 00:18:59,940 --> 00:18:57,159 syllabus and all examples of evolution 357 00:19:03,629 --> 00:18:59,950 are given as elaborations in the draft 358 00:19:05,609 --> 00:19:03,639 syllabus it's very sad to see there's no 359 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:05,619 mention of Charles Darwin for example 360 00:19:09,899 --> 00:19:08,110 and this particular standard the 361 00:19:12,419 --> 00:19:09,909 syllabus apparently leaves open the 362 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:12,429 possibility of schools specifically 363 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:24,870 I practice prohibited in most states 364 00:19:31,530 --> 00:19:27,520 syllabi this document six are in place 365 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:31,540 so for letting the what's the phrase 366 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:33,250 isn't the gates the wolf's of the game 367 00:19:41,490 --> 00:19:36,910 isn't the right one the barbarians are 368 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:41,500 the game the bed spoon for 2010 goes to 369 00:19:46,410 --> 00:19:43,270 the inland say it again australian 370 00:20:04,200 --> 00:19:46,420 curriculum and reporting authority 40 371 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:04,210 struck science regular thank you mine's 372 00:20:08,670 --> 00:20:06,310 a walk lovely reward which are boys like 373 00:20:10,350 --> 00:20:08,680 to get out now you may or may not either 374 00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:10,360 the train is getting started 30 years 375 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:12,820 ago which at that time was actually made 376 00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:14,770 us the second office stepping over in 377 00:20:21,030 --> 00:20:17,320 the world the oldest was cycled in 378 00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,040 America and actually in its formal sense 379 00:20:25,470 --> 00:20:23,200 I property no longer exists a sexy 380 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:25,480 transformed of CSI which makes the 381 00:20:34,510 --> 00:20:27,250 Australian sticks the longest lasting 382 00:20:40,460 --> 00:20:38,540 my farmer boys with the other states the 383 00:20:43,010 --> 00:20:40,470 earliest images of parsley skeptics as 384 00:20:45,620 --> 00:20:43,020 as time Randy and David Smith explained 385 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:45,630 everyone there were three people public 386 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,730 key to the establishment escaped excuse 387 00:20:51,140 --> 00:20:49,200 me here today dick smith from John 388 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:51,150 Brennan one of them was here yesterday 389 00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:54,390 buddy he is extremely ill he's suffering 390 00:20:58,940 --> 00:20:57,240 from early-stage Parkinson and various 391 00:21:01,340 --> 00:20:58,950 other illnesses but he was here for 392 00:21:03,860 --> 00:21:01,350 short time yesterday the issue is that 393 00:21:06,370 --> 00:21:03,870 Mark Plummer was the initial terrific 394 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,380 into the Australian skeptics are really 395 00:21:10,460 --> 00:21:08,820 he was certainly the driving engine and 396 00:21:13,850 --> 00:21:10,470 if anyone who dear mark in those days 397 00:21:17,390 --> 00:21:13,860 driving was the clean world mark was 398 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:17,400 redic in his energy he tired everybody 399 00:21:22,790 --> 00:21:19,650 out he just would not stop his lawyer 400 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:22,800 but that didn't you from actually 401 00:21:26,540 --> 00:21:24,570 fighting all the way through when he 402 00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:26,550 drove everybody always got a smile very 403 00:21:32,510 --> 00:21:30,120 black could be here the truth left under 404 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:32,520 while he joined site up and he moved on 405 00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:35,730 back to his son lawyering as profession 406 00:21:42,380 --> 00:21:39,840 and he has been sick lately and you 407 00:21:44,150 --> 00:21:42,390 rather do in bio and burning get invited 408 00:21:46,940 --> 00:21:44,160 there are many sequences is have to go 409 00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:46,950 back any morning is community arrange 410 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:48,900 for an award to go tomorrow thanks 411 00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:51,090 because it is the 30th anniversary of 412 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:52,500 the surround skeptics it is the first 413 00:21:56,660 --> 00:21:54,450 ham Australia and we have at least 414 00:21:59,540 --> 00:21:56,670 reliable all three founders of the 415 00:22:01,970 --> 00:21:59,550 skeptics at one place so just this part 416 00:22:04,340 --> 00:22:01,980 and I want some of them they want a 417 00:22:06,410 --> 00:22:04,350 garbage collector if the recognition of 418 00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,420 Mark Plummer for your inspiration and 419 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:08,340 leadership establishing the Australian 420 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:11,250 skeptics in its formative years and for 421 00:22:16,130 --> 00:22:13,530 your continued drive in creating what is 422 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:16,140 now a vibrant and successful skeptical 423 00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:18,450 organization the strong skeptics I think 424 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:20,310 must fix mythic you tonight to collect 425 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:37,820 thanks very much on the otha personally 426 00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:40,890 go to byron bay and presented to mark an 427 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:51,200 okay so our next award is the skeptic of 428 00:22:55,790 --> 00:22:53,970 the year now this morning for those of 429 00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:55,800 you were here you would have heard Paul 430 00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,140 talking about positive change and then 431 00:23:03,020 --> 00:23:00,000 the tools of skepticism can be used to 432 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:03,030 achieve good things and sometimes we're 433 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:04,410 exclusive sort of just taking things 434 00:23:10,100 --> 00:23:07,290 away from people debunking their beliefs 435 00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,110 about angels or ghosts and not really 436 00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,960 giving anything back but I think the 437 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:15,120 winner of this year's skeptically here 438 00:23:20,570 --> 00:23:16,890 is a good example of how you can give 439 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:20,580 something back it's basically an example 440 00:23:24,860 --> 00:23:22,470 of how when you get together as a bunch 441 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:24,870 of skeptics and work as a team you can 442 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,810 achieve something really good this is an 443 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:29,460 example of a bunch of disparate 444 00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:32,130 unconnected and unknowns guard to each 445 00:23:38,210 --> 00:23:36,000 other skeptics who all got mad and they 446 00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:38,220 got independently mad actually from 447 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:41,430 different parts of Australia up to fight 448 00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:45,150 one clause and that was the alien now 449 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:46,620 they all took a different approach but 450 00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,170 they were smart about how they did it 451 00:23:53,510 --> 00:23:50,640 they were tenacious and mostly they were 452 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:53,520 dogged and this happened about 18 months 453 00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,050 ago and the results have since been huge 454 00:24:01,810 --> 00:23:59,760 firstly the avian has most importantly 455 00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:01,820 lost the respect of the Australian media 456 00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,020 when they used to be called upon for 457 00:24:07,790 --> 00:24:06,480 balance in stories about vaccinations 458 00:24:12,350 --> 00:24:07,800 they are now being called 459 00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,360 anti-vaccination routinely Merrill Dory 460 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:14,400 is now considered to be a plaque by the 461 00:24:23,300 --> 00:24:20,790 media and yeah that's worth it and this 462 00:24:25,010 --> 00:24:23,310 all started when the alien was found to 463 00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:25,020 be misleading by the healthcare 464 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:26,910 Complaints Commission following the 465 00:24:35,229 --> 00:24:29,810 complaints have been in my tender crowd 466 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:37,609 when the avian reviews the publisher's 467 00:24:41,629 --> 00:24:39,570 disclaimer put forward by the edge 468 00:24:43,609 --> 00:24:41,639 tipple see the Streisand effect took 469 00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:43,619 home and more people have found out 470 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:45,059 about them when they would've if they 471 00:24:49,609 --> 00:24:47,730 just put up a disclaimer they were 472 00:24:51,229 --> 00:24:49,619 audited for irregularities with their 473 00:24:52,940 --> 00:24:51,239 monies and this file a complaint 474 00:25:00,979 --> 00:24:52,950 submitted by Wendy Wilkinson diesel said 475 00:25:02,389 --> 00:25:00,989 he's been battered by copyright 476 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,399 complaints because they were selling 477 00:25:07,220 --> 00:25:04,080 other people's material on their website 478 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:07,230 for profit now although the evidence 479 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:09,210 still exists their reputation is in 480 00:25:13,999 --> 00:25:12,210 tatters throughout the process of this 481 00:25:16,669 --> 00:25:14,009 campaign has been a large group of 482 00:25:19,609 --> 00:25:16,679 people working tirelessly and hammering 483 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:19,619 away after navy in keeping journals in 484 00:25:23,090 --> 00:25:21,210 the loop writing letters to all and 485 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:23,100 sundry and it's Ken mentioned yesterday 486 00:25:27,019 --> 00:25:25,769 in the SDM workshop the only people we 487 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:27,029 get to not receive a letter from 488 00:25:34,090 --> 00:25:29,580 adopting a BN is probably the Commission 489 00:25:37,389 --> 00:25:34,100 on the locust plague is a clinic skin so 490 00:25:40,639 --> 00:25:37,399 for the tenacity for their hard work and 491 00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:40,649 for the McCaffrey's the winner of The 492 00:27:11,409 --> 00:26:02,310 set up the facebook group ken MacLeod 493 00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:16,580 mouse in the group and I'm awfully glad 494 00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:19,080 to see that I'm not the only ever the 495 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:22,159 oldest person in the group tonight on 496 00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:27,330 and James is too comfortable on behalf 497 00:27:36,379 --> 00:27:28,860 of our little group which is now 498 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:36,389 numbering well over two thousand six non 499 00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,090 paying members unfortunately dad when 500 00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:40,799 the girl was put together by Daniel 501 00:27:47,499 --> 00:27:44,399 about taking months ago and it attracted 502 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:47,509 all sorts of Foxman gypsum sort of us 503 00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:51,690 doll contributing our especially skills- 504 00:27:59,599 --> 00:27:56,840 bureaucracy as I said yesterday science 505 00:28:02,289 --> 00:27:59,609 we did this because we all got mad and 506 00:28:04,999 --> 00:28:02,299 the incredible lies being told about 507 00:28:07,369 --> 00:28:05,009 immunization and the fact that the union 508 00:28:11,479 --> 00:28:07,379 that the Australia video was sucking it 509 00:28:14,330 --> 00:28:11,489 up on that and so applying a special 510 00:28:17,149 --> 00:28:14,340 skills we would do it we could in memory 511 00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,159 of dynamic apprehend and we were doing 512 00:28:25,009 --> 00:28:19,080 it for her and their parents who are not 513 00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:25,019 here to I'm sure how are still cheering 514 00:28:46,010 --> 00:28:28,259 us on and on it up losses and then right 515 00:28:51,390 --> 00:28:48,450 congratulations guys and also to follow 516 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:51,400 on from map k just touched upon the 517 00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,200 media and the impact that the campaign 518 00:28:57,390 --> 00:28:55,600 sadf has had on changing a perception of 519 00:28:59,280 --> 00:28:57,400 the media has at the enter max lobby in 520 00:29:01,080 --> 00:28:59,290 this country and I think that's 521 00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:01,090 incredibly important I think we've had a 522 00:29:04,890 --> 00:29:03,160 lot of victories of this campaign but I 523 00:29:06,990 --> 00:29:04,900 think one of the most important ones is 524 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:07,000 that we've changed the perception of the 525 00:29:12,330 --> 00:29:10,810 media there's been a couple of people or 526 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:12,340 one in particular and i'm going to talk 527 00:29:19,110 --> 00:29:14,110 about now he's been instrumental in 528 00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:19,120 doing that the force balance that we 529 00:29:22,620 --> 00:29:20,740 used to get which is the concept of we 530 00:29:25,130 --> 00:29:22,630 must get both sides of the story has 531 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:25,140 gone from the Australian media almost 532 00:29:31,590 --> 00:29:28,720 entirely with found vaccination we've 533 00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:31,600 also noticed a change in this following 534 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:34,660 a report on ABC's late line crackling in 535 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:37,930 July 2010 and this is by jealous by the 536 00:29:52,289 --> 00:29:49,890 I said I said come with us today because 537 00:29:54,899 --> 00:29:52,299 he's not only covered the ante maxillary 538 00:29:57,539 --> 00:29:54,909 in his investigative reporting is also 539 00:30:00,480 --> 00:29:57,549 covered the BCA any case which was 540 00:30:02,279 --> 00:30:00,490 against silencing last year the British 541 00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:02,289 Chiropractic Association is Sir Simon 542 00:30:08,430 --> 00:30:05,919 for libel he's also covered the TGA not 543 00:30:10,380 --> 00:30:08,440 enforcing our complaints issued against 544 00:30:11,940 --> 00:30:10,390 practitioners that make outrageous and 545 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:11,950 spurious claims and its includes 546 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:15,250 homeopathy pointless Richard gave a 547 00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:18,090 dishonorable mention for the bent spoon 548 00:30:22,830 --> 00:30:20,590 they also claimed the computers and 549 00:30:25,139 --> 00:30:22,840 cancers now the reason students in here 550 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:25,149 today is because he's been taken ill and 551 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:27,490 I got a text message from him a couple 552 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:29,370 of days ago where he said he thinks that 553 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:32,200 all of the stuff is done at our old med 554 00:30:37,409 --> 00:30:34,450 and care products is all come back then 555 00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:37,419 put a curse on him happy and so he's 556 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:39,580 quite ill he should be here tomorrow we 557 00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,770 hope so we want to acknowledge the 558 00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:43,840 workers seek a name for recording the 559 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:45,940 truth and accurate science in the 560 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:01,400 he lost the world for today for this 561 00:31:06,410 --> 00:31:04,110 year actually is the film at award for 562 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:06,420 the promotion of reason an award which 563 00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:08,610 sits in its since its inception last 564 00:31:13,460 --> 00:31:11,310 year has become known to awards fashion 565 00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:13,470 as the Fred because it is named after 566 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:16,260 Fred for met who was a skeptic and the 567 00:31:21,650 --> 00:31:18,090 Secretary of des manian skeptics for 568 00:31:23,810 --> 00:31:21,660 many years Fred died in April last year 569 00:31:25,940 --> 00:31:23,820 and his family and many friends miss him 570 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,950 dearly it was there for almost 571 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:28,080 naturalness after some discussion he was 572 00:31:33,620 --> 00:31:30,570 decided to establish a reward for the 573 00:31:35,390 --> 00:31:33,630 promotion of reason in his name the Fed 574 00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,400 is awarded to a member of the public or 575 00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:37,320 public figure who has made a significant 576 00:31:41,450 --> 00:31:39,180 contribution to educating or informing 577 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:41,460 the public on issues of science and 578 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:45,450 reason apart from the recognition $1,000 579 00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:47,970 are awarded to the recipient or to a 580 00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,510 charity or cause of their choice the 581 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:54,480 truth of the reward for 2010 is awarded 582 00:31:58,220 --> 00:31:56,010 to two people who have contributed in 583 00:32:00,050 --> 00:31:58,230 different ways to the same cause because 584 00:32:02,290 --> 00:32:00,060 their contribution was independent and 585 00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:02,300 the effect of their work was cumulative 586 00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:04,440 we decided that they should jointly 587 00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:08,220 receive the award with $1,000 awarded to 588 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:11,700 each so without further ado I'm happy to 589 00:32:15,380 --> 00:32:13,290 announce that the winners of the 2010 590 00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:15,390 thornado all for the promotion of reason 591 00:33:39,529 --> 00:33:16,399 I think anyone can take anything away 592 00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:39,539 from you congratulations to only a woman 593 00:33:45,259 --> 00:33:41,750 as well deserved particularly those 594 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:45,269 scoundrels in science education of dare 595 00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:54,500 and when tam was all over I jumped on a 596 00:33:58,340 --> 00:33:56,820 plane went to Melbourne for a few days 597 00:34:00,610 --> 00:33:58,350 to relax with my good friend Steve 598 00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:00,620 Roberts from the Victorian skeptics the 599 00:34:06,409 --> 00:34:04,049 next day rebecca watson Brian Dunning 600 00:34:08,839 --> 00:34:06,419 and Lisa Dunning turned up and we spent 601 00:34:12,409 --> 00:34:08,849 some wonderful time together we went to 602 00:34:20,899 --> 00:34:12,419 a George Rab concert and Brian and 603 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:20,909 Rebecca gave some corks in Melbourne so 604 00:34:25,250 --> 00:34:22,409 this is only that the wonderful people 605 00:34:27,379 --> 00:34:25,260 at the 365 days of astronomy podcast 606 00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:27,389 asked me to write a theme song pamela 607 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,399 gay dr. Pamela geisha the view is a 608 00:34:41,419 --> 00:34:32,250 theme I said yes I could yes hella gay 609 00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:41,429 wow these c is for symbiosis closest 610 00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,610 so she has affected by the song I said 611 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:52,000 sure what should it sound like and she 612 00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:02,109 and I said I can totally do that 613 00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:14,100 univercell look across your face you try 614 00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:17,150 businesses of all the stunts mess but 615 00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:19,040 you can't have the bacon your mind 616 00:35:25,390 --> 00:35:22,100 around looking all the terms required to 617 00:35:44,970 --> 00:35:25,400 describe how big is big so let me get 618 00:35:44,980 --> 00:36:04,710 crazy 619 00:36:18,180 --> 00:36:09,730 sorry powers my tribe you always sing 620 00:36:41,660 --> 00:36:22,740 musically tails quite surrounded 621 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:44,120 sighs boy 622 00:37:04,360 --> 00:36:59,770 some technical assistance and how to 623 00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:04,370 culture take her too much affection and 624 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:07,460 trust my assistance I am very accurately 625 00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:29,260 this one 626 00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:43,430 pretty far 627 00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,230 nextly done nicely yeah well this is not 628 00:37:57,269 --> 00:37:53,920 exactly the thing tank it so what would 629 00:37:58,769 --> 00:37:57,279 you call it the the moving car episode 630 00:38:01,170 --> 00:37:58,779 considering the amount of rain i call it 631 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:01,180 the drink tank wow that's more 632 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:03,970 appropriate for other venues no just get 633 00:38:08,430 --> 00:38:05,710 everybody to introduce themselves as 634 00:38:13,349 --> 00:38:08,440 we're driving along i'm tom okay I'm our 635 00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:13,359 driver I'm Jamie Jamie from from cfi 636 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:17,020 Vancouver hey I'm Richard from the young 637 00:38:23,700 --> 00:38:19,510 Australian skeptics i'm richard from the 638 00:38:29,519 --> 00:38:23,710 oldest range and and and and brian 639 00:38:32,430 --> 00:38:29,529 dunning from sceptile calm that's all so 640 00:38:36,779 --> 00:38:32,440 this is one of the the after tam sort of 641 00:38:39,720 --> 00:38:36,789 great cool down relaxing times first 642 00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:39,730 brought yeah we just went to the not the 643 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:41,920 zoo they wear a heel ville healesville 644 00:38:49,019 --> 00:38:45,970 sanctuary I just had a had a spare day 645 00:38:51,329 --> 00:38:49,029 off here between pub nights and so about 646 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:51,339 10 of us I guess came out here and 647 00:38:58,019 --> 00:38:54,190 checked out the koalas and Tao zis and 648 00:39:01,200 --> 00:38:58,029 wom bees and and cowabunga Zanda 649 00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:01,210 Burroughs were they sitting in the old 650 00:39:04,579 --> 00:39:02,430 gum tree 651 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:04,589 they were not and I was very 652 00:39:09,049 --> 00:39:06,780 disappointed we had a kind of got into a 653 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:09,059 little tussle with the management trying 654 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:11,010 to get our money back and didn't work 655 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:14,250 out well so of course you came to 656 00:39:18,349 --> 00:39:16,170 Australia really to participate in tam 657 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:18,359 Australia now you've been to many times 658 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:20,970 before would you say this one was better 659 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:23,970 worse or simply different it was a 660 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:26,400 certain I won't say it's better but it 661 00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,890 was it was certainly the the highest 662 00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:31,079 level tam as good as any time I've been 663 00:39:37,579 --> 00:39:34,079 to and I think the I actually enjoyed 664 00:39:39,410 --> 00:39:37,589 the slightly smaller numbers then we get 665 00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:39,420 at the big Tim's in las vegas there's so 666 00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:41,700 many people you kind of get lost in the 667 00:39:48,740 --> 00:39:45,900 sea you know I'm okay and here we have 668 00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:48,750 about 600 that right Dix hundred and 669 00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:51,089 thirty roughly yeah which was you know 670 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:53,339 still a very large number but it was you 671 00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:55,050 saw the same faces over and over again 672 00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,030 more often and it was more more 673 00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:00,180 personable and just a really neat crowd 674 00:40:04,490 --> 00:40:01,980 there was there were no weirdos here 675 00:40:06,890 --> 00:40:04,500 there's always a few weirdos at the at 676 00:40:08,690 --> 00:40:06,900 the larger meetings and I got to say I 677 00:40:10,730 --> 00:40:08,700 didn't see any nobody stood up and made 678 00:40:14,450 --> 00:40:10,740 an ass out of themselves except the 679 00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:14,460 speaker's namely me cuz I really 680 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:17,400 normally happen at times oh yeah all 681 00:40:25,569 --> 00:40:22,210 essa is that it's not characteristic of 682 00:40:27,099 --> 00:40:25,579 tams but in many large gatherings 683 00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,109 especially the United States maybe says 684 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:29,119 maybe it's an Australia thing you've 685 00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,650 always got weirdos to show up when we 686 00:40:35,230 --> 00:40:32,000 have skeptics in the pub you know 687 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:35,240 there's there's often some some kind of 688 00:40:39,999 --> 00:40:38,390 a character who's I don't know militant 689 00:40:42,549 --> 00:40:40,009 one thing or another just kind of a 690 00:40:45,490 --> 00:40:42,559 turnoff for everyone we're didn't have 691 00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:45,500 any no incidents it was a really a fun 692 00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:49,400 time it really was it was um I'm glad we 693 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:51,440 were able to give everybody an extra day 694 00:40:56,620 --> 00:40:53,630 mr. Friday we thought we'd have an extra 695 00:40:58,900 --> 00:40:56,630 day before tam was a bit weird because 696 00:41:00,519 --> 00:40:58,910 it really did start on the Friday and I 697 00:41:03,069 --> 00:41:00,529 had people coming to me on friday night 698 00:41:05,259 --> 00:41:03,079 after just one day saying there was 699 00:41:06,999 --> 00:41:05,269 their minds were blown already but I 700 00:41:09,089 --> 00:41:07,009 think dr. Cole did that because he go 701 00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,099 back a million miles an hour yeah yeah 702 00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:11,839 yeah dr. Carl was a great way to kick 703 00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:13,460 off the show who after did kick it off 704 00:41:17,559 --> 00:41:15,950 it was the first speaker that's that's 705 00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:17,569 asking me a hard question because it's 706 00:41:24,249 --> 00:41:20,990 all a blur the first thing was a panel 707 00:41:27,849 --> 00:41:24,259 oh yeah paranormally in australia with 708 00:41:32,570 --> 00:41:27,859 randy and very well William darling he 709 00:41:36,380 --> 00:41:32,580 and Steve Roberts are hot yeah and then 710 00:41:39,590 --> 00:41:36,390 I had the panel on skeptical activism 711 00:41:41,780 --> 00:41:39,600 and that was the same time as Steve 712 00:41:43,340 --> 00:41:41,790 novellas medicine is a science based 713 00:41:45,110 --> 00:41:43,350 medicine didn't you do sounds from 714 00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:45,120 beyond on the Friday on the noisy death 715 00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:46,500 that was the first one on Saturday 716 00:41:52,730 --> 00:41:49,800 morning Saturday morning yeah okay you 717 00:41:56,030 --> 00:41:52,740 have been day one yeah saturday was day 718 00:41:58,810 --> 00:41:56,040 one friday was day zero as someone 719 00:42:02,750 --> 00:41:58,820 pointed out didn't a run point that out 720 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:02,760 somebody did yeah it worked what the 721 00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:06,400 hell it works it worked in dude 722 00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:08,680 for your Australian fans Brian 723 00:42:12,730 --> 00:42:10,520 impressions of Australia 724 00:42:19,269 --> 00:42:12,740 I can't do a good Australian impression 725 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:22,870 well we got here first is it right yeah 726 00:42:26,799 --> 00:42:25,130 we you know there's different ways 727 00:42:30,279 --> 00:42:26,809 luckily impressions of the country 728 00:42:32,589 --> 00:42:30,289 impressions of the people yeah as far as 729 00:42:36,339 --> 00:42:32,599 the country goes we started out going to 730 00:42:39,099 --> 00:42:36,349 guru which was couldn't have been a 731 00:42:42,339 --> 00:42:39,109 better way to start off the visit but we 732 00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:42,349 we did it right and had two full spent 733 00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:43,849 two nights there so we had a full day 734 00:42:47,399 --> 00:42:45,380 and a little bit of time on either side 735 00:42:50,919 --> 00:42:47,409 started it out right with a helicopter 736 00:42:52,329 --> 00:42:50,929 trip Wow the first afternoon so that 737 00:42:54,399 --> 00:42:52,339 when we had our full day we knew 738 00:42:57,489 --> 00:42:54,409 everything about where to go and what to 739 00:42:59,559 --> 00:42:57,499 do and what not to do and that's just 740 00:43:02,019 --> 00:42:59,569 you know we course your seat pictures of 741 00:43:03,489 --> 00:43:02,029 ayers rock or coolaroo all over the 742 00:43:05,069 --> 00:43:03,499 place but you really can't appreciate it 743 00:43:08,739 --> 00:43:05,079 till you go there in person and yeah 744 00:43:12,489 --> 00:43:08,749 vastly more amazing than pictures or 745 00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:12,499 words can describe as are the old goes 746 00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:19,290 yeah and then we've been to Sydney and 747 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:21,160 Melbourne and I guess everyone here 748 00:43:24,530 --> 00:43:22,450 knows about Sydney and Melbourne so I 749 00:43:27,540 --> 00:43:24,540 don't have to say anything about those 750 00:43:29,850 --> 00:43:27,550 but the Australian people the ones I've 751 00:43:34,980 --> 00:43:29,860 met have been mostly people in the 752 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:34,990 skeptic movement and as I've as I've 753 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:38,170 observed in one of the pub nights I have 754 00:43:42,510 --> 00:43:40,330 the most listeners to my show per capita 755 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,520 in Australia than in any other country 756 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:44,800 the last night there was it was a packed 757 00:43:48,150 --> 00:43:46,810 house Oh rebecca watson i don't know how 758 00:43:51,390 --> 00:43:48,160 many people they squeezed in there there 759 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:51,400 had to be 200 or added the staff did a 760 00:43:55,859 --> 00:43:53,530 head count they can go to over 200 over 761 00:43:58,140 --> 00:43:55,869 to the now yeah fantastic crammed into a 762 00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:58,150 puppet was a week at the Big Ten 763 00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:00,980 skeptics in the pub we had to 20 764 00:44:05,410 --> 00:44:03,740 oh really yeah wow so that's that's 765 00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:05,420 really impressive now they must have 766 00:44:09,850 --> 00:44:06,980 really been tight in there yeah that was 767 00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:12,130 and yeah it just it just went really 768 00:44:22,850 --> 00:44:18,730 someone make a comment someone said 769 00:44:24,590 --> 00:44:22,860 license I concur it was it was an 770 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:24,600 awesome night the talks are really well 771 00:44:32,690 --> 00:44:29,370 received it was only one odd question 772 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:32,700 from that Christian bloke but Rebecca's 773 00:44:38,090 --> 00:44:35,610 answer to his question was extremely 774 00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:38,100 well put I would disagree it wasn't an 775 00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:39,420 odd question I thought it was a good 776 00:44:45,380 --> 00:44:43,590 question it was a Christian guy who said 777 00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:45,390 upson how can you people say that 778 00:44:50,270 --> 00:44:47,220 there's no such thing as God how can you 779 00:44:51,950 --> 00:44:50,280 know that and of course it's it's it's a 780 00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:51,960 bit of a straw man because nobody is 781 00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:55,020 making that argument but it is a very 782 00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:58,020 popular question that Christians have of 783 00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:00,420 not just of atheists but of skeptics in 784 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:03,630 general I I didn't answer I avoided the 785 00:45:09,140 --> 00:45:06,870 question because that's a theist 786 00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:09,150 activism is completely outside of what I 787 00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:11,660 do yes not an interest of mine at all 788 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:15,870 but yeah Rebecca she gave him but what 789 00:45:21,770 --> 00:45:18,090 could arguably described as a good swam 790 00:45:23,300 --> 00:45:21,780 down which you know that's that's one 791 00:45:26,570 --> 00:45:23,310 way to answer that question and another 792 00:45:27,610 --> 00:45:26,580 way would be to give a more what's the 793 00:45:30,010 --> 00:45:27,620 word 794 00:45:32,980 --> 00:45:30,020 warm and fuzzy I get explanation of what 795 00:45:35,740 --> 00:45:32,990 we're actually actually about this side 796 00:45:38,170 --> 00:45:35,750 this lamb down smackdown I guess but you 797 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:38,180 did a great job okay i think it was 798 00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:40,490 still well explained words i mean you 799 00:45:45,130 --> 00:45:42,110 know is a smackdown but it was sort of a 800 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:45,140 speck on with a point but it was nice i 801 00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:47,770 find the one 802 00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:50,800 it's sort of its perfect style everybody 803 00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:53,170 has their own style 804 00:45:58,380 --> 00:45:55,500 I noticed this that part of her style is 805 00:46:01,370 --> 00:45:58,390 not suffering fools gladly when they're 806 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:01,380 asking questions yeah I'm some 807 00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:03,490 articulate their question she doesn't 808 00:46:08,099 --> 00:46:06,430 wait he says come on you got a question 809 00:46:10,859 --> 00:46:08,109 oh I don't know there was an extremely 810 00:46:13,170 --> 00:46:10,869 long and rambling question that Shepherd 811 00:46:15,420 --> 00:46:13,180 the front ask budget find me ask them 812 00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:15,430 went on and on and on and I still don't 813 00:46:18,930 --> 00:46:16,750 know what he was talking about the 814 00:46:22,020 --> 00:46:18,940 Rebecca said you want to do you want to 815 00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:22,030 draw draw diagrams yeah i bet that poor 816 00:46:24,569 --> 00:46:23,470 guy i think he had a good question but 817 00:46:26,460 --> 00:46:24,579 he was just having a lot of trouble 818 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:26,470 verbalizing know once he got started he 819 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:27,849 just got all tangled up but he did they 820 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:29,170 order here i made to himself wasn't 821 00:46:35,309 --> 00:46:32,230 language fail he said language founded 822 00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:35,319 he to himself yeah well folks it's a 823 00:46:39,329 --> 00:46:37,510 we've had a wonderful day visiting the 824 00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:39,339 the wildlife park looking at all sorts 825 00:46:43,319 --> 00:46:41,589 of animals and now when we drove there 826 00:46:45,809 --> 00:46:43,329 was in the rain when we got there the 827 00:46:47,970 --> 00:46:45,819 clouds parted and it was stupid our 828 00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:47,980 stinking hot Sun screaming off sunscreen 829 00:46:53,789 --> 00:46:50,740 and now it's all rain again but that's 830 00:46:55,049 --> 00:46:53,799 Melbourne for you yeah so I hear and 831 00:46:57,690 --> 00:46:55,059 they're all nodding in their heads if 832 00:46:59,190 --> 00:46:57,700 we're lucky it'll snow later so no I 833 00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:59,200 can't wait for that and tonight we have 834 00:47:03,809 --> 00:47:01,150 another talk by yourself and rebecca 835 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:03,819 watson so yeah you've had a busy time 836 00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:06,430 Brian in Australia very busy and I've 837 00:47:11,549 --> 00:47:08,920 enjoyed every moment of dumb we've had 838 00:47:13,859 --> 00:47:11,559 we've got very little time off it's 839 00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:13,869 mostly been at one event or traveling to 840 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:16,030 and from events which is the best way to 841 00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:18,490 spend the 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